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Scared the terminator paradox??????

I'm sure you've all thought about it before with the movies, and now it's all back again.

The paradox of course being the Future creating itself, or the Future being the cause of the Past. The Terminator being sent back in time is the reason there will be the Machine war to begin with (as its technology was used to advance robotics considerably). But the only reason a Terminator was sent back was because they were losing the war, because of John Connor's existence. However the only reason he exists is because they sent a machine back in time to erase him, leading to his father Kyle Reese being sent back to stop that from happening. Confused yet?

John sent his own father back in time to ensure he gets conceived/born, a paradox in itself, as there had to be an initial timeline where the father gets sent back by someone else, a different leader, not John (who couldn't have possibly existed in the very first timeline). And then from that point on, the timeline becomes the one we currently know. But why would John's would-be father be sent back to protect Sarah if John Connor doesn't even exist -- that's right, it's paradox city.

This means there must have been an initial timeline where Sarah gives birth to someone else (and from a different father), who eventually grows up to become the leader of a future resistance, and who wins just like John did, giving the machines a reason to send back a Terminator to kill Sarah. For some reason, Reese is chosen by this non-John child of Sarah, and in doing so, he/she would unintentionally erase their own existence because Reese would put the moves on his mom and the John we know would be conceived. (You'd think Sarah's first child would have given Reese the order: "Whatever you do, do NOT sleep with my mom while you're there." Guess that didn't happen, or Reese just didn't give a care. lol) However how would have John gotten his name in this scenario? Reese suggested the name to Sarah -- this must mean that Sarah's first child, again not the John we know now, was also named John -- a happy coincidence. lol And in the initial timeline, there was no "unnatural" advancement of robotics -- somehow the developments happened on their own, without any help from future technology. I guess we can accept this. However what is difficult to accept is how Sarah's child (again, not the current John) in the first timeline became this great leader to begin with. The only reason John became so great was because of his experiences growing up with machines trying to kill him and his warrior mom training him etc -- however in the very first timeline, none of this would be the case -- yet another paradox.

If anyone has any of this figured out so that it actually makes sense, please, be my guest. lol
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"When in doubt, dont" that applies here.

ok lemme give you another good does of random trivia i have picked up. You can have this appear from the future that create paradox w/o with out reason. Kyle was sent back because Sarah was in danger from the terminator, but because he was sent back john was born. This is called a "loop" effect. Something in the past happens because of the future, but the future happens because of that something in the past.

another name for the "loop" effect is a paradox. a paradox is something that cant of happened unless it happened before.

the simplest way to crate a "loop" effect is to experience something, then change it by influencing the events before said experience.

Kyle was the unfortunate soul to be the center of this loop effect. In essence he was "created" by a deeming situation of the first time lines later event. Kyle was sent back BEFORE his timeline ever happened, but his presence change the timeline so he woudl be sent back FROM the same timeline. This creates a loop effect.

Kyle WAS sent back because of the information he gave to Sarah, so he set his own timeline in place so that he WOULD be sent back. His arrival set up the means of his being sent. The very fact he told her his name insured that he would be sent back from this or another timeline.

now... if you cant wrap your head around that try this.

What IS is made by what WAS.
What WAS was made by what WAS.
If what WILL BE changes what WAS, what WAS changes what COULD BE to what IS.
What IS changes what COULD BE to what WILL BE.
So what WILL BE can change what WAS to its what WAS

if you cant wrap your head around that...

A paradox is something that can and can't exist at the same time, if it ever occurs immediately disregard the previous timeline because it can no longer exist. but what changes the current timeline still and always will remain.

if you cant get your head around that...

dont try to understand... just take it as an possible impossibility and forget about paradoxes
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Make it simple! God created the future which leads to a paradox.

Chaoswolf, so the future can change the past.

Where is baby Kyle in the series?

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Make it simple! God created the future which leads to a paradox.
thats the last ditch attempt at understanding other than... "ok whatever"
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